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it's like something a Hollywood

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screenwriter might have conjured us

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scientist examining and reverse

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engineering a crashed alien spacecraft

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studying the bodies of the

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extraterrestrials at a secret US Air

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Force facility in 1989 a man named Bob

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Lazar went public with claims that this

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is exactly what was happening at area 51

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a name for that secret facility in the

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desert and said he worked on the alien

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spacecraft today Bob Lazar lives in

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mid-michigan where he runs a scientific

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supply company and he's the focus of a

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new documentary from investigative

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filmmaker jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Korbel

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and narrated by actor Mickey Rourke the

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this story is extraordinary especially

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if it's true and it all started in the

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desert just north of Las Vegas a local

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scientist who worked at Groom Lake said

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to beware top-secret weapon systems have

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been tested over the years he has asked

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that his identity be shielded exactly

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what's going on up there what's going on

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up there could be the most important

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event in history

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physical contact and proof from another

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another system and other planet and

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other intelligence jeremy is with us now

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via skype pleasure to welcome you to

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stateside jeremy thanks so much Cynthia

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patted me on in this world of UFOs and

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extraterrestrials how important is this

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guy who runs a scientific supply company

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in Laingsburg Michigan right Bob Lazar

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is kind of the Elvis of ufology he's the

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guy that everybody has tried to talk

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with for about thirty years and it's

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been very difficult he hasn't been you

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know very forward and out in the

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public's eye an investigative reporter

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George Knapp was my mentor in journalism

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he broke the story in 1989 but it was

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very difficult all these years to really

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get to know who is Bob Lazar the guy

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that made these explosive claims and as

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we see in your film you make heavy use

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of that on-camera interview that Bob did

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back in 1989 tell us why did he decide

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to talk then more than 30 years after

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the work he said he was doing at area 51

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yeah so originally in 1989 whether you

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believe it or not it is true Bob Lazar

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came forward to protect himself he was

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under threat at that point he was

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getting personal threats because of the

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work that he was doing and his personal

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life and what occurred right after that

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he showed people the test flights on

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three occasions from a distance over

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Papoose Lake which is a sub area of area

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51 people didn't even really know about

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back then so he came forward really to

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protect himself he was convinced by

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George Knapp that it would protect him

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to get in front of he just said it all

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at one time then there's nothing else

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that could be held against him so he

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sets it all out to George Knapp and then

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go silent why did he agree to talk to

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you some 30 years later my charming

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personality obviously but no he was a

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you know I think I convinced him I think

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after 30 years of people disembowelling

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his story and and and perverting it and

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changing it inserting their their

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fiction and their fantasy I think enough

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is enough I think I was able to convince

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him that the history books would be

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written with false information if he

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didn't come forward again and show

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people really who he is in his daily

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life and and beat

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what exactly it is that he's claiming so

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without blowing the reason you want

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people to watch your film Jeremy give us

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a sense of take sort out the truth from

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all the hyperbole and all the fiction

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that is built up around this man what is

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it what do you believe he did for the

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government right well we're pretty much

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know for sure that Bob Lazar is a

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scientist a physicist and that he was

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employed in 1989 to work at a secret

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base just south of groom Lake on the

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area 51 complex a site called s4 and

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there he was tasked with reverse

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engineering or back engineering alien

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propulsion so a propulsion system based

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on gravity wave amplification and a very

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special super-heavy element called

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element 115 in a stabilized form this

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was his claim and remains his claim that

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that was his job that it was an

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impossible task

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but that that was his job was to work on

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the power and the propulsion of a flying

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saucer that we have nine of at this base

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just south of groom Lake in area 51

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it's wild it is it is so as you sat

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there and you looked at him and and you

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talked with him and dug into this with

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him how convinced are you that what Bob

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is saying is true I mean and how close

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did you get to proving it right so look

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this is a nuts-and-bolts story that this

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is not about belief it's either true or

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it's not true our government is either

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attempting to reverse-engineer alien

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spacecraft or they're not I think

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looking at Bob's story now I mean that

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the problem with Bob the why his story

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won't go away is because it's really

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hard to dismiss him you watch him I mean

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he passed a four polygraph test you

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watch him not only do you want to

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believe him you get the sense he's

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telling the truth and it's very

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frustrating to your worldview now are we

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ever gonna prove it definitively I mean

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unless somebody walks me into that base

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I don't think so but we've come very

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close through through the breadcrumbs of

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his story over 30 years things have

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occurred over these 30 years that

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weren't possible to know before for

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example I

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found the individual and got on the

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phone with the individual who did the

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security clearance for ABAB to work at

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the base that couldn't have been done 30

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years ago when George Knapp was trying

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because of just you know time the

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envelope of time gave us more

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opportunity Bob also knew about this

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hand scanner that everybody thought was

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you know fiction it was made up well

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those photos were just Declassified and

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I was able to show that indeed there is

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a scan or a biometric scanner whose used

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at that time just like he said and

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everybody mocked him for it so all these

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little things I've been able to kind of

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parse and find out over these 30 years

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and having Bob talk to me directly on

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camera for the viewer I mean it's pretty

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amazing I think it's hard to dismiss Bob

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I think to minimize a message you

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dehumanize the messenger and that's what

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people have tried to do for three

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decades but now I think you know we took

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the mic back telling this story clear

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and as Bob wants it you know told which

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is direct that actually was a moment

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that stuck with me as I watched your

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film was his reaction when you put down

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these Declassified photos of this

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scanner that he said oh my gosh I mean

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that was he could not have it was a very

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believable reaction let me just say that

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well cuz it was real I mean people

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always talk about this story like it was

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a believable reaction and I get that but

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let me tell you you're seeing it as it's

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unfolding in my documentary this is what

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happened Bob's one rule for me to

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totally insert myself into his life I

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mean give me that box full of tapes I'm

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gonna get them digitized you know these

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30 year old tapes he let me into his

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life completely you know which is

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against his nature but the one

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restriction he had on me is I can't make

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anything up I can't sensationalize a

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story that is already sensational so it

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really it was the easiest documentary in

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the world I just had to show you what I

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saw in that moment is powerful he is so

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surprised to be vindicated to see this

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hand scanner that he had talked about

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for almost three decades and people

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thought it was laughable turns out he

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was right how did he know tell us a

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little about Bob lazarre's what he tells

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you he thought when he first set eyes on

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this spacecraft that he was working with

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what did it look like what did he think

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okay yeah so this is really foul

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nating Bob is so analytical he was given

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a whole bunch of briefings before he

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actually saw his first disc and you know

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he looked through the briefings and they

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were saying wild things I mean talking

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about another civilization another

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specie of being that came from another

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star system and he didn't know what to

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think about this he is a he's a rocket

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guy an engine guy a--

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you know a propulsion guy but he walks

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up he sees the disk for the first time

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and the first thought that crosses his

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mind on the secret base in nevada the

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first thought is wow this is what

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everybody talked about flying saucers

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but wow they're ours we made them he

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thought people were silly for believing

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in UFOs however when he stepped inside

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the craft to look at a part of the

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propulsion system when he actually

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stepped inside the flying saucer that's

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when he said it felt ominous because the

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seating was about half the size that you

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would have for a normal sized human you

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know it one of the questions that's kind

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of comes to mind in in your film and

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things written about bob lazar 'yes so

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physicist with this task how did he get

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access to all of the kind of

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documentation why was he chosen right

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and so this is one of the big question

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marks look the detractors the first

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thing they go after to try to dismiss

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bob story is his unprovable education he

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claimed that he attended classes at

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Caltech and MIT neither of which have

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record of him so you have this issue

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here you've got a very smart person we

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cannot for 30 years we cannot prove his

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education yet I have proven and has

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George Knapp back in 1989 definitively

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Bob Lazar worked at Los Alamos as a

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physicist I actually interviewed and got

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on record and other physicists who his

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in security briefings with Bob Lazar

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didn't know anything about UFOs he just

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remembers Bob Lazar from that time so we

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know he got a really smart guy who's got

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incredible abilities we can't prove his

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education some people say well this is

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part of the setup you know maybe it's a

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catch-and-release you know they wanted

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to show somebody all this stuff and

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slowly try to leak some of it out and

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and Bob admits maybe he's the perfect

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Patsy for all of that but what what he

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is firm on is that this technology

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exists

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he saw it he used his own hands he

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dismantled it that's very different than

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anything he read in the briefings about

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aliens or this sort of thing he actually

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physically worked on a gravity wave

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amplification system powered by element

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115 this is incredible stuff so so Bob

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really separates what he read from what

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he had his physical hands on one flying

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saucer one craft which is extraordinary

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enough if you believe Bob Lazar but

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that's the delineation that's the

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difference with Bob Lazar he knows what

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he worked on he was told a lot of stuff

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read a lot of briefings that had to do

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with other programs associated with his

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power and propulsion program such as

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biology that kind of thing but he can't

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prove that part one of the things that

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struck me as I watched your film is the

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normal everyday life of Bob Lazar at

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home going to work at his company do you

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think his neighbors in mid-michigan

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would have any sense that this guy is

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kind of like you say he's kind of so

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central to the UF ology culture yeah I

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guess I didn't explain that well enough

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I mean he is absolutely the reason you

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know the words

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area 51 I mean Bob Lazar is the icon

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with his coke bottle glasses I was in

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India and I found a kid that was selling

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chai and he were talking about UFOs he

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lifted his hands by his eyes and jiggled

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his hands like coke bottle glasses he

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says Bob Lazar

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I mean he's famous all around the world

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the the the standard flying saucer we

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know about is you know kind of ikana

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sized into popular culture that's

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because if Bob Lazar they mention part

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of what he told in things like the

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x-files an independence day there's a

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Bob Lazar character there's area 51 beef

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jerky there's shot glasses of everyone

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it's you know it's incredible how this

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has permeated popular culture because of

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Bob Lazar and yeah that's he's had some

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incredible impact but yet the people in

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his daily life they know what he went

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through it was painful it was difficult

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it was not a good feeling they weren't

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good times it brings up terrible

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memories and in fact when I showed Bob

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the film the first cut I mean I thought

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he was gonna hightail it you know he

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absolutely it brought up all these

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negative

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you know memories for him so know the

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people in his life the average people in

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his life they don't even talk about UFOs

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would bump to them

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he's just Bob does he still feel as

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though he is under siege is he feel as

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though he's being watched did he have

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any trepidation about coming forward and

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kind of digging all this back up again

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yeah well there's a very dramatic moment

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in my movie which everybody can see and

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again that happened that actually

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happened what you see in my movie so the

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joke was after 30 years who cares what

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he has to say he is kind of done with it

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he figured this very little monitoring

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done on his life by any of the agencies

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I mean however he was rated by multiple

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agencies while in New Mexico under very

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very dubious circumstances you know we

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thought that was very strange but we

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thought there was nobody listening we

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thought nobody cared well on one of the

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last filming's I did at his house the

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next day his business was raided by the

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FBI right there in Michigan and actually

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was raided by multiple federal agencies

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and you know they had 25 26 forensic

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collection agents looking for paperwork

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was the official thing that they said it

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didn't quite stand up you know to why

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they would have so many agencies there

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and it got even weirder and you'll see

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that in my film so yeah I think there is

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some interest obviously from government

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agencies in if Bob Lazar is telling the

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truth and if indeed he did get a piece

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of the fuel source a stable form of

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element 115 out of Los Alamos where it

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was machined in 1989 that would be

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something Jeremie car bill his latest

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film is bob was our area 51 and flying

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saucers Jeremy thank you for sharing

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your work with us and thanks for

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speaking with us thanks so much for

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having me on it's a real pleasure and I

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just hope that everybody that hears this

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their curiosity is weaponized

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historians extraordinary especially

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image trouble and it all started in the

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desert just north of Las Vegas a local

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scientist who's worked at Groom Lake

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said to beware top-secret weapon systems

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have been tested over the years he has

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asked that his identity be shielded

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exactly what's going on up there what's

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going on up there could be the most

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important event in history physical

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contact and proof from another another

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system another planet and other

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intelligence what would happen to you if

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the government learned that you were

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giving us this information you just want

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to stay alive maybe this has been kept

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sir how do we know you are who you say

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you are my name is Bob Lazar I'm known

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for working at a classified base and

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can we ever be made whole before not

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believe I have no motivation to live the

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science and the technology can change us